Times have changed...

Like I said, your a prime example of the close mind. I do not agree with you and you say there is something up my butt?

All the examples that are in the original topic, the latter is better. Guess you people havent ever heard of a school shooting, 1973 man.. thats where its at. Lets go back to 1873 shoot each other in the streets at high noon.

Us People?

Us people, live by what we are, and what we can afford. Not on false dreams and hopes. We have had them with the way the mining goes around here.

So i guess US People. Well we may be a little ahead on some things than to jump on something until we know it will work.

What about US People.

Where and by what do YOUR People live by?

Like i said pull the crap out of your butt, your basically looking to argue over some reason. And your pretty much hijacking a thread with your crap.


Well argue away.

I have no idea if anything you just said, has any meaning.

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Like I said, your a prime example of the close mind. I do not agree with you and you say there is something up my butt?

All the examples that are in the original topic, the latter is better. Guess you people havent ever heard of a school shooting, 1973 man.. thats where its at. Lets go back to 1873 shoot each other in the streets at high noon.

[/ QUOTE ] I can't recall a single shooting report while the 70s went by(all 10 years). And most of the examples in the first post are true. If you can't see it, then it is good you live now , cause you wouldn't have lasted then. The Land of Confusion [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Hey, I done found ole Superman, he's right here in this thread.

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colossal is probably a 15 year old with no clue. Well, maybe someone older with a 15 year-old view of things. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Again, we have all these problems because women work. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Yeah, I know that's a male chavenistic view-point, but in the 50's, 60's, and 70's , how many mothers worked outside the home? Most stayed home and reared the children, instilling in them values and morals and teaching them to cope.
If anyone thinks our culture is better now than it was in the 70's, they're delusional, in denial, or just plain ignorant of the truth.
They definitely need to take off those rose-colored glasses.

school shooting go all the way back into the 1700's in Europe. Its a fact, the coverage of things in modern days have made this a commerical property. Columbine made it a problem that will never go away, modern media encourages it in a way.
Here is just a few examples, one from a book I have read and the others just from an Internet search, but since all of you guys know this stuff and Im just 15, Im just letting you read about things you already know right.


"I thought most of you people would remember that small thing that happend in Texas, but since Im 15 I dont.

Had parents, teachers, and school officials been able to read Lieberman's The Shooting Game before the Thurston tragedy, it might have been prevented through measures taken at home and at school. Lieberman is an Oregon journalist who has completed the first comprehensive book on the causes and history of school shootings dating from 1974. He reveals what he has found to be the linked nature and common roots of school shootings: workplace rampages and suicidal terrorist acts."

A quote from the book, The Shooting Game by Joseph Lieberman. As one example.


January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, USA Armed with a .22 rifle she had been given for Christmas, 17-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." Soon after, the Dublin punk band Boomtown Rats wrote the song "I Don't Like Mondays" which was based on the incident.

December 30, 1974 Olean, New York, USA 18-year-old honor student Anthony Barbaro blockaded himself into a third story classroom at his high school and opened fire on those below, killing three people and wounding eleven. He later hanged himself while awaiting trial. A drama was written about the incident entitled Sniper.
18-year-old Robert Poulin opens fire on his class at St. Pius X High School, killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabit to death prior to the incident. A book was written on the incident called Rape Of A Normal Mind

1975 Brampton, Ontario, Canada Michael Slobodian, 16, kills a teacher and student and wounds 13 others at Brampton Centennial Secondary School in Brampton, Ont., before shooting himself.

October 21, 1975 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 18-year-old Robert Poulin opens fire on his class at St. Pius X High School, killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabit to death prior to the incident. A book was written on the incident called Rape Of A Normal Mind
January 21, 1985 Kansas, USA Armed with an M-1A Semi-Automatic Rifle and a .357 Pistol, 14 year old James Kearbey fatally shot his principal and wounded 3 other teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.
March 2, 1987 Missouri, USA After constant teasing and humiliation about his weight, Nathan Ferris armed himself with a pistol and killed a fellow student after he bullied him in class. He then turned the gun on himself.
May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California, USA Armed with a pistol, 20-year-old Eric Houston took hostages at his former high school, killing four people and wounding 10. His motive was his inability to find a good job due to the fact that he had failed a grade at school. He was given the death penalty for the shooting. The 1994 Hostage High is directly based on the shooting.
January 18, 1993 Grayson, Kentucky, USA 17-year-old Scott Pennington fatally shot his English teacher and a school janitor with a pistol.
September 21, 1995 Rochester, New York, USA 13-year-old Stephne Givens was fatally stabbed at Jefferson Middle School by a fellow student.
November 15, 1995 Giles County, Tennessee, USA Armed with a .22 Remington Viper, 17-year-old Jamie Rouse walked into the Richland School and shot two teachers in the head, killing one. He then fired at the football coach, but hit a 14-year-old freshman in the neck, wounding her.
February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, USA Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison.
February 2, 1996 Atlanta, Georgia, USA 12-year-old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway of his school with a pistol.
September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, USA In the Hetzel Union Building shooting at The Pennsylvania State University, 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes, killing one student and wounding another.
January 27, 1997 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Tronneal Magnum shot and killed another student in front of his school.
February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, USA Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence.
October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, USA 16 year old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a lever-action rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother.
December 1, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, USA 14-year-old Michael Carneal carried five fully-loaded guns to Heath High School, shot at a prayer group, killing three students (Jessica James, Nichole Hadley and Kayce Steger) and wounding another five. Five of the victims were shot in the head, and three were hit in the upper torso. One of the wounded girls was paralyzed for life.
April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition.
May 19, 1998 Fayetteville, Tennessee, USA Three days before graduation, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis fatally shot 18-year-old Nick Creson with a bolt action rifle. He then discarded the rifle and calmly watched Creson die.
May 21, 1998 Springfield, Oregon, USA Kip Kinkel opened fire with a .22 rifle at Thurston Senior High School, killing 2 students and wounding 25 before being tackled by a wounded student. His parents were later found at home, murdered by Kinkel. He is now seving 111 years in prison without parole.
April 28, 1999 Taber, Alberta, Canada In both the first school shooting since Columbine and the first Canadian school shooting in over 10 years, Todd Cameron Smith brought a sawn-off .22 rifle to W.R Meyers High School and shot two students, killing one.
October 20, 1999 Houston, Texas, USA During a fight between 14-year-old Estanislao Balderas and 13-year-old Samuel Avila at Deady Middle School, Baldera produced a screwdriver and fatally stabbed Avila with it.
November 20, 1999 Deming, New Mexico, USA A boy shot 13-year-old Aralecy Tena in the back of the head with a handgun at Deming Middle School. Tena died after being taken off of life support.
March, 2000 Brandenburg, Bavaria, Germany A 16 year old student fatally shot a teacher and then turned the handgun on himself but survived, and has been in a coma ever since.
May 26, 2000 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill shot his English teacher, 35-year-old Barry Grunow, in the face on the last day of school.
March 5, 2001 Santee, California, USA Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a boy's bathroom at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police.
April 26, 2002 Erfurt, Germany The 19-years old Robert Steinhäuser killed 13 teachers, 2 students and a police officer armed with a 9mm Glock 17 and a Pumpgun and then himself. For more informations look Erfurt massacre
April 29, 2002 Vlasenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina Armed with a 7.65mm pistol, 17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic killed his history teacher because he was sure that the teacher did not like him and would give him a failing grade. He then shot another teacher in front of the whole classroom, wounding her lightly, before committing suicide.
April 24, 2003 Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in the cafeteria of his middle school before committing suicide.
May 9, 2003 Cleveland, Ohio, USA Biswanath Halder, a 62-year-old man, opened fire with an automatic weapon on his former school, Case Western Reserve University. He killed one student, seriously wounded two others, and kept over 90 people hiding for their lives for seven hours. After vigorous and bullet-ridden gun battles with school police and SWAT officers, Halder surrendered and was sentenced to life in prison.
September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, USA 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack.[2]
January 13, 2004 Den Haag, Netherlands Murat D. killed Hans van Wieren, a 49-year-old teacher at Terra College.
February 2, 2004 Washington, D.C., USA 19 year old Thomas J. Boykin fatally shot 17 year old James Richardson at Ballou Senior High School. Boykin was later acquitted on the charge of murder[3].
February 3, 2004 Palmetto Bay, Florida, USA 14-year old Michael Hernandez stabbed and slit the throat of 14-year-old classmate, Jaime Rodrigo Gough, while in a restroom at Southwood Middle School. Hernandez was tried as an adult, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. A search of his home revealed he had concocted plans to murder several classmates and even his younger sister. His journal revealed he was obsessed with perfection, and admired Hitler and the Nazis.
March 30, 2004 Gary, Indiana, USA Neal Boyd IV was fatally shot in the parking lot of Wallace High School by a fellow student.
August 4, 2004 Beijing, China Xu Heping, a 51-year-old doorman with a history of mental illness, stabbed several students and teachers in Beijing University's Number One Hospital, killing a child and wounding 17 others, 14 of whom were children.
September 28, 2004 Carmen de Patagones,
Buenos Aires Province, Argentina Armed with his father's 9mm pistol, a 15-year-old boy opened fire on his classmates during a flag-hoisting, killing 3 students and wounding 5 others.
November 26, 2004 Ruzhou, China With no apparent motive, an intruder stabbed eight students to death and injured four others at Ruzhou's Number Two High School in the sixth such incident in China in the past four months[4].
November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, USA After reports that a freshman had a handgun, the principal and two assistant principals confronted student Kenneth Bartley Jr., who opened fire on them, killing one of the assistant principals and wounding the two others.
September 27, 2006 Bailey, Colorado, USA A hostage crisis leaves one student and the perpetrator dead.
September 29, 2006 Cazenovia, Wisconsin, USA 15-year-old Eric Hainstock shoots his high school principal, who then managed to wrestle Hainstock to the ground. The principal died later in hospital from multiple gunshot wounds.
October 19, 2006 Orlando, Florida USA 17-year-old Kelvin De La Cruz stabs 15-year-old Michael Nieves in the chest with a pocket knife at a school bus stop of the Main Campus at University High School. After he stabbed him, Cruz hid under the bus and attempted to change his clothes, but was apprehended and charged with first-degree murder. Nieves died two hours later after being stabbed.[5]

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colossal is probably a 15 year old with no clue. Well, maybe someone older with a 15 year-old view of things. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Again, we have all these problems because women work. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Yeah, I know that's a male chavenistic view-point, but in the 50's, 60's, and 70's , how many mothers worked outside the home? Most stayed home and reared the children, instilling in them values and morals and teaching them to cope.
If anyone thinks our culture is better now than it was in the 70's, they're delusional, in denial, or just plain ignorant of the truth.
They definitely need to take off those rose-colored glasses.

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Guess what you were once allowed to beat your wife with a stick no larger than your thumb! Ever heard of the rule of thumb! Yeah, we need to have that reinstated as well, or maybe lets go back to the ecumenical council that once had a vote that decided if women were actually humans!!!

Barefoot and pregnant!!!!

[Monkeyhead]

You just proved our point. All of those shootings you listed, and they got to be more and more as time went on

70's=4
80's=2
90's=17
and already 19 since 2000.

Gee you really proved your point.

No, the point was someone said it didint happen then, I have provided (a small amount) of the gradual increase, as I said, it happened in the past and media have driven it to the forefront, the majority of the time people who do this look for some sort of celebrity status. In the technology age of our time, its only fueled this, as a poster stated they never heard of it happening in the 70's, did not mnean it didint happen, I showed it did. If there were 24 hour media coverage, internet access and other forms of current technology, those cases that went unheard of in the 70's, would have been just as known as those today, compare the technological advances in media to the increase of shootings and their coverage, as the media grew, so does the frequnce in these type of events, but like I said, you can trace these sort of things even further back if people would open books ever once in a while rather than reading only the front page of yahoo.

[Monkeyhead]

That point just flew over your head.

You think everything now is nowhere near as bad as the 70's? Today's world has more poverty, crime, and a host of other problems that are worse, that would could go for days on. Is all of the fatherless kids and divorced parents better now? I don't think so. Can I let my kid out to play and not have to be terrified of pedophiles and drug pushers targeting my kid.

How many people leave there doors unlocked when they go out, compared to even 20 years ago? Not hardly any that I no of. How many new diseases and drugs are there now compared to 1973? The list could keep going and going, but there is no need because the point has been made.

As for being close minded as you say. Nope just to smart to believe the nonsense.